I wouldn't have guessed this result

"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
10/13/2018 at 00:15 • Filed to: None

These are EPA figures, but I would never have guessed the numbers to be almost exactly the same.

DISCUSSION (30)

The Dummy Gummy > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 00:22

Good reason to kill the fusion. How can a car with less mass and better aero be worse on mpg...

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 00:23

All you did was remind me that every new car sold is 1) faster than me, 2) more efficient than me

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > The Dummy Gummy
10/13/2018 at 00:37

awd vs the f150 rwd doesn’t help. Also they have the hybrid that gets 52

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 00:39

has this gen always had awd? I can’t understand why they let subaru get away with the legacy

The Dummy Gummy > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
10/13/2018 at 00:41

I’d agr ee, but a lot of awd cars on the market are getting in the mid 30's on highway. Ford done fucked up.

Damn 52? That’s solid.

David Baker > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 00:41

Reality is you get eco or you get boost. I average about 14.5 my 15 F150 supercab 3.5 EB 4x4 (6 speed) with a heavy foot. It does cruise the highway @ 21-22mpg, again eco or boost. Love it, perfect daily if you don’t do too many miles.

facw > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
10/13/2018 at 00:43

The F-150 is a 4x4. Presumably it doesn’t have it engaged, but all tha t weight is still there.

In any event, the obvious solution is a hybrid F-150, it probably won’t even notice that extra battery weight.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > The Dummy Gummy
10/13/2018 at 00:44

But the 3.6 in the legacy is rated 28/20. yeah the 2.5i will get 34, but you drop from 325 to 175hp

The Dummy Gummy > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
10/13/2018 at 01:01

Wasn’t talking about S ubaru but yea you get a significant bump in the I mpreza as well at 38mpg but its 152hp .

I actually was thinking the 252hp Audi (25/34mpg), but the 340hp stills gets more impressive numbers; 2018 Audi A6 3.0T 340hp; 20 city / 29 highway.

facw > David Baker
10/13/2018 at 01:28

I’d imagine that’s the case with the others as well though. That’s the trade off with these engines, the numbers aren’t lies, but you aren’t going to get the performance numbers and the efficiency numbers at the same time.

Svend > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 07:15

Partially down to the size and weight of the vehicle but also down to inefficient the engine is.

While you get a 2.7 , the largest the Fusion/Mondeo comes in the U.K. is a 2.0TDCi and 2.0Ecoboost.

From most to least for the Mondeo is: ( bhp) , UKmpg/USmpg

1.5TDCi (118 ) and 1.6TDCi (113) at 78/65

2.0TDCi (147-207) at 68/57

1.0Ecoboost (123) at 55/46

1.5Ecoboost (157-162) at 42/35

2.0Ecoboost (236) at 38/32

So in petrol form the 1.0Ecoboost is doing more than double the 2.7 .

Now yes there is a loss in pulling power but is pulling power for a saloon car worth less than half the mpg?

Even the 1.5Ecoboost with a respectable bhp comes in a nearly twice the mpg of the 2.7

MPG are UK/MPG

Kinja'd!!!

Svend > The Dummy Gummy
10/13/2018 at 07:19

The engine isn’t as efficient as others available by Ford (but not necessarily available in the U.S.).

A 1.0Ecoboost with 123bhp does 46 USmpg, the 1.5Ecoboost with 157-162bhp does 35 US mpg and the 2.0Ecoboost with 236bhp does 32 US mpg.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
10/13/2018 at 08:25

Only in the 2.0T and 2.7T, why they didn't offer it in the US with the 1.5T is crazy to me

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
10/13/2018 at 08:29

Yeah I have an 06 Hyundai Tucson with a 2.0 I4 that doesn’t do these numbers. I never thought a non hybrid gas F150 would beat my mpg.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Svend
10/13/2018 at 08:31

I get what you're saying but I was more pointing out that it doesn't seem to matter what body the 2.7T with AWD goes in, mpg seems to be the same

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > The Dummy Gummy
10/13/2018 at 08:33

Right? How did they manage to get it the same as a freaking F150?

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
10/13/2018 at 08:34

All 3 cars are 2.7EB with AWD/4WD

jimz > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 09:00

Couple of reasons:

1) the F-150 has the 10 speed transmission, and those numbers are likely for the highest rear axle ratio (3.31:1) which will return the best mpg numbers

2) The Edge has an 8-speed transaxle, and is only slightly heavier than the Fusion Sport. They’re the same platform, with the same engine and both are AWD. A taller cabin doesn’t make the Edge that much heavier.

3) the Fusion has a 6 speed transmission and is geared for performance, not economy.

Gearing plays a huge role in fuel economy. the fact that the Fusion’s city number is so low leads me to conclude this.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 09:51

Based on the experience I’ve had driving EcoBoost vehicles, the F150 won’t meet those numbers unless you really try hard. It’s not easy to stay out of the boost.

HammerheadFistpunch > David Baker
10/13/2018 at 10:16

Took a 300 Mile road trip in an eb3.5 s6 f150 two days ago, 19.6 mpg on the unladen up leg, 15.6 mpg coming back towing a small 2000 or so lb junk trailer. add ANY load and watch the mpg drop like a rock. The driver was easy of the throttle both ways. For reference I get the same mpg towing a larger, heavier camp trailer with my 5 speed gx470 which weighs more, has an old school na v8 and full time 4wd. Granted his eb3.5 would walk away from me on any hill with a much bigger trailer but still, any time you hear those turbos whistle when a little... Prepare for crap mileage

punkgoose17 > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 10:29

It looks like the Fusion has a 6 speed, Edge an 8 speed, and F-150 a 10 speed. That combined with the unrealustic epa cycle is how these numbers happen.

wafflesnfalafel > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
10/13/2018 at 11:03

T he volume just isn’t there... Legacy Sedan volumes are small... Subie sells nearly 4 times as many Foresters alone, much less all the Crosstreks and Outbacks...

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > punkgoose17
10/13/2018 at 11:47

Yeah, makes one wonder what the numbers would be like if they all had the 10 speed

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > jimz
10/13/2018 at 11:52

That was my guess too, I was just shocked that they'd let the numbers be so similar. I guess they'd figure not a lot of people would ever compare these three.

Svend > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 12:56

Ye’, the engine itself seems okay in larger vehicles for it’s power, etc... just not an efficient or economical one for smaller vehicle applications.

jimz > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
10/13/2018 at 15:30

A company’s CAFE compliance is based on how many vehicles they sell in total, and on the model mix on that total. A low mpg Fusion won’t have much of an impact since they probably don’t sell many. OTOH they sell so damn many F-150s that they want it’s fuel economy ratings to be as high as possible.

Tohru > jimz
10/13/2018 at 22:29

but an F150 falls under light trucks so its fuel economy isn’t (or at least didnt used to be) taken into account for CAFE

jimz > Tohru
10/14/2018 at 05:54

Uh, yes it is. If it has numbers on the label, it’s subject to CAFE. F-250 and above are exempt.

Tohru > jimz
10/14/2018 at 10:43

I stand corrected then.

jimz > Tohru
10/14/2018 at 11:09

here’s where it gets tricky- because of the “Footprint” classifications in the current CAFE rules, a bigger vehicle getting the same fuel economy ratings has a more beneficial contribution to the manufacturer meeting the fleet minimum. Grading on a curve, if you will. they get more credit towards meeting the fleet minimum average by selling a 19/24 F-150 than they do by selling a Fusion getting 19/24. and because the Fusion is a much smaller vehicle, its low mpg for its size can actually be a net negative on their score. So it’s to their benefit to squeeze as many mpg out of the F-150 as they can since they sell a ton of them. While hoping they don’t sell too many Fusion Sports.